POLL: MR. DM vs Justincredible vs Carty

[Carty]

Alright... here is the poll for the battle that they decided to have and I was somehow dragged into haha, I was pleasantly surprised with both of their chops, they were much better than what I was expecting... so good luck all

MR. DM
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8764/mrdmhy0.jpg





Justincredible
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5218/justincrediblefr2.jpg





Carty
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/6804/brushsw0.jpg




Original is at the following link
http://www.desktopmachine.com/framepic.php?id=6741&size=1024

[MRDETROITMETAL]

Wow ! ... what a difference in styles !!!... This was a good contest, seems we each stuck to our strong points, I cant decide cuz I like em all too much !!!...damn good work !

THX C & incred, this was worth it !

[Carty]

...alright... what are my strong points and what is the difference between my strong points and Justincredibles

[MRDETROITMETAL]

Well, as I see it....Carty yours is very technical, clean and persice and an excellent chop, as incred's is more illustrative, his pix almost tells a story within it very unique look to his stuff, BUT...both you guys have great skills tho, as where mine is more graphic design oreintened than you guys, as I went for a different car rather than just mods to the exsisting car pix, a very, very interesting contest IMO.

Thx again for the opportunity !

[VipFREAK]

It sucks which one I have to pick because he'll run his mouth off that much more, but we already knew who that was.

I must admit the level was stepped up a bit.

[Carty]

hey..I wont run my mouth, but I appreciate the compliment


before we get into the contest too deep I wanted to thank you guys for inviting me into the contest, I had some fun with it, havent really chopped in a while and this gave me an excuse, so thanks, it was fun, goodluck to both

[MartinPliksh]

my vote goes to justincredible, whilst cartys is more realistic and justinicredible has a couple of flaws, i love the style of justincredibles whole chop

ohh, and sorry MRDM, not to fond of yours a bit too fake looking

[Justincredible]

WHOA! Nice Job Guys... MRDM... Your still looking pretty fake but I like your idea... You said Id LOVE the color... Well its pink... I hate it! ahah Carty... I like what you did although not much... Its very clean and nice.. Good Luck Guys... Looks like its between Carty and I... Thanks MRDM for entering... Lets do it again! ehehe

[Demented Kuztoms]

Dude MR DM your chop f-ing blows. What is wrong with you why do you think your chops are the **** and they really honestly suck. Your host sucks cuz your quality is always bad, I dont know what the hell you do to take the shaprest picture to start and end up with a blur of mess. F your chop. The other 2 are good but Im gonna have to go with Justincredible as the amount of work that went into it and the design.

[WildmanProductions]

just incredible is just incredible :D

[MGD]

I must vote for Carty, first reason, is from what he did in his chop, it doesnt look like he tried that much. second reason is that his looks much more realistic.
although justincredible's is pretty good, it dont look realistic

[mahalo_dudered]

Justincredible and carty's both look pretty good. i really like the styling on both chops... and justin, nice brushing. however mr DM as usual, you're not exactly at the same level as these guys. it looks like it might take a while for you to get there, but eventually you will.

[Tony Riley]

...as where mine is more graphic design oreintened than you guys, as I went for a different car rather than just mods to the exsisting car pix, a very, very interesting contest IMO.


More graphic design oriented than the others? Just because you changed
the lights and bumper? Give me a break. The quality suffered regardless.
The difference you were trying to come up with to differentiate yours from
the rest was only in the fact that you maybe created a bumper and
changed the lights. Imo Justin's was just as "graphic design" oriented.

just incredible is just incredible :D

Not really.

Granted it's imaginative, but it doesn't knock my socks off.

There are issues with all of them though sadly.

The first one is fake, VERY fake. Nothing is sharp or crisp.
There are some good ideas...but the image quality just
kills it ALL.

The second looks a bit unfinished, and suffers from being
really fake, but not as fake as no.1. I'm not sure about the BG
or the mirrors, or the body styling. Imo it's kinda ugly? But
as said...its imaginative.

The third is really the least imaginative of them all. But the image
quality is the best out of the three...and dare I say, the car is
actually good looking.

I went with Carty, although its not imaginative.
If some things were more thought out on Justin's
I would have voted for him. But sadly, it's hideous.

[MRDETROITMETAL]

yes the other 2 are very good, I said that from the START & i told them both they would get ALL the votes....so why would anybody post something saying how mine sucks, unless of course your just a jerk off ??...or blind ?...Of course many of you may not realize this but....I DONT USE PHOTOSHOP at all to do these pixs, I use Alais sketchbook pro, no pen tool, no effects, NO BS, they are entirely "hand drawn", hence they look a bit more ART Painterly than a PS pixs.

BUT I figure if you CANT DRAW, WTF are you doin pictures for ????

[iMPaCT]

Gotta go for Justincredible1!
Love that chop, though what others have said about it is true-lol

[AlderIrish]

yes the other 2 are very good, I said that from the START & i told them both they would get ALL the votes....so why would anybody post something saying how mine sucks, unless of course your just a jerk off ??...or blind ?...Of course many of you may not realize this but....I DONT USE PHOTOSHOP at all to do these pixs, I use Alais sketchbook pro, no pen tool, no effects, NO BS, they are entirely "hand drawn", hence they look a bit more ART Painterly than a PS pixs.

BUT I figure if you CANT DRAW, WTF are you doin pictures for ????

Maybe give The GIMP a try? If I remember right (I only use it a little when I run Knoppix) I think it's basically a free version of Photoshop... Some of the menus are a little different and things are in different places and all, but same basic concept.

[joemomma95]

BUT I figure if you CANT DRAW, WTF are you doin pictures for ????[/B]

Could be because this is a PHOTOSHOP site and not a drawing site. There is a drawing section to the site but the name of the site IS PHOTOSHOPCHOP.COM

BTW, you say yours is more graphic design oreinted but I don't see it, you creaed a new front end and changed the wheels and color....that's considered a chop in my book. Please stop trying to put your "ART" above everyone elses work, your chopping cars(somewhat) plain and simple....just because you don't use photoshop doesn't mean it's not chopping.

AND YEA THE CAPS LOCK, BOLD, ITALIC & UNDERLINED BUTTONS AREN'T THAT DIFFICULT TO USE EITHER!!!???!?!??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[MRDETROITMETAL]

No u misunderstand...I have PS CS2, just that I LIKE Alias Better thats all.

this IS the look I want for my pixs,..& not a antiseptic percise photographic pix, as IMO there is nothing left to the imagination in that ...no big deal, just diff strokes for diff folks thats all, I know it's a chop...cuz I cant sell em !..nobody wants to buy "chops",...people BUY ART. If I chop as PART of the process or not my objective is the same...to create ART that sells, and it does thank you !

& maybe I have the wrong idea, BUT IMO if you are not able to draw a car, then using PS or chopping is just "cheating" your way in !...sorry if that offends any of you but thats just the way it is. I am not talking out my *** either (altho thiswas the s*ttalkers contest remember ?)...so you should not be surprised by my comments by now, BUT next week or so go look at my website and you will see exactly what I am saying here, and I mean no offense by it, but its a joke when I see some of the comments from people who have NEVER picked up a pencil or paints in their life, and presume they are able to design cars from PHOTOGRAPHS !

[ferrariguy]

you two need two lighten up. i dont know about either of you but i'm here to better my self. not to get in to cat fights with other artists.

[Demented Kuztoms]

Who in their right mind would ever pay you for anything Ive ever seen from you on this board. My 6 year old cousin makes better art. Hell, I could **** on canvas and make better art. If your seriously a middle aged man that thinks what he does is art you need to check into Betty Ford. Get a life buddy

[Carty]

No u misunderstand...I have PS CS2, just that I LIKE Alias Better thats all.

this IS the look I want for my pixs,..& not a antiseptic percise photographic pix, as IMO there is nothing left to the imagination in that ...no big deal, just diff strokes for diff folks thats all, I know it's a chop...cuz I cant sell em !..nobody wants to buy "chops",...people BUY ART. If I chop as PART of the process or not my objective is the same...to create ART that sells, and it does thank you !

& maybe I have the wrong idea, BUT IMO if you are not able to draw a car, then using PS or chopping is just "cheating" your way in !...sorry if that offends any of you but thats just the way it is. I am not talking out my *** either (altho thiswas the s*ttalkers contest remember ?)...so you should not be surprised by my comments by now, BUT next week or so go look at my website and you will see exactly what I am saying here, and I mean no offense by it, but its a joke when I see some of the comments from people who have NEVER picked up a pencil or paints in their life, and presume they are able to design cars from PHOTOGRAPHS !


I bet im better with a pencil or pen then you are when it comes to cars

[AlderIrish]

I hate to keep this going, I really do, but I do have to say somethings because what DM said really upsets me...

"nobody wants to buy "chops",...people BUY ART"

Chopping is an art form buddy. Sorry if you can't see that, but it is. Look at some of Glacius's chops.. (I think that's his name, sorry if I'm wrong..) That guy is a master at his artform. Just like abstract artists are artists. A dot in the middle of a canvas can sell for millions. A collection of microwaved CD's can be considered art if put together in an "artistic" fashion. Same thing with trash. So what makes your "art" and better than someone else's?

Secondly.. To say that those who use Photoshop to chop is cheating for those who can't draw a car is just.. Down right stupid. I can't draw a car worth ****. I'll be the first to admit it. Hell, I prolly have trouble drawing stick figures good. But to say that me using Photoshop and taking a graphic arts class is cheating.. Well, I think that's wrong, and kind of insulting. (I realize you didn't direct the comment at me personally, but I feel insulted by it.)

Okay, I'm gonna stop there before the mods come down on me and all..

[VipFREAK]

"nobody wants to buy "chops",...people BUY ART"

http://www.sportbikers.net/forums/images/smilies/lmfao.gif http://www.sportbikers.net/forums/images/smilies/lmfao.gif Which is funny because the prequisite of buying it doesn't have to included having taste or knowing what is "ART" xD

[VipFREAK]

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2003/eek39co15tt.gif Sorry... so hilarious got to have a field day with these stupidly retarded quotes of his...



if you are not able to draw a car, then using PS or chopping is just "cheating" your way in !...

http://www.sportbikers.net/forums/images/smilies/lmfao.gif Wow, urm... I guess ALL the designers at ALL the Major Car manufactures are screwed then arn't they?

I am not talking out my *** either

Might as well be because it ain't helpin your intelligence.

I see some of the comments from people who have NEVER picked up a pencil or paints in their life, and presume they are able to design cars from PHOTOGRAPHS !

Isn't that the ******* truth... can you DRAW and RENDER a car for me to prove you're theory? Tell ya what... I'll even let you trace and use templates if you'd like. :rolleyes:

BUT next week or so go look at my website and you will see exactly what I am saying here

Nobody gives a **** about hearing how you "claim" your work is selling, I hate to burst you're bubble if you didn't read above but...

The prequisite of buying your work doesn't have to included having taste or knowing what "ART" is...

[MRDETROITMETAL]

....granted,.....& THAT is exactly my point.

regardless of your opinions....I sell ART.

call it what YOU want...dose not matter, cuz it sells.

as far a drawing goes,....I'll take on ANYBODY here ; freehand drawing, anytime... anything u want, ....just name it !!!

[VipFREAK]

....granted,.....& THAT is exactly my point.

regardless of your opinions....I sell ART.

call it what YOU want...dose not matter, cuz it sells.

Yeah... it's too bad "ART" is subjective. There are some that take advantage of that and come up with whatever bullshit they pull out of their *** to make a living. (not directed at mrdm so I won't get banned) :rolleyes:

as far a drawing goes,....I'll take on ANYBODY here ; freehand drawing, anytime... anything u want, ....just name it !!!

Ok, we can do a Car Draw Battle then... I'll kill two birds with one stone, I have to do a drawing for a buddy of a VW Scirocco (I think that's what it is, same body style anyway) so that's what will draw. I'll upload the reference image later, I'm at work. I don't want to hear about your excuses of, well I don't draw cars... you said ANYTHING.

edit: BTW, tracing is not drawing... you can do it and consider it "ART" if that make it easier for you to sleep at night.

[Justanotherdodge]

Yeah... it's too bad "ART" is subjective. There are some that take advantage of that and come up with whatever bullshit they pull out of their *** to make a living. (not directed at mrdm so I won't get banned) :rolleyes:



Ok, we can do a Car Draw Battle then... I'll kill two birds with one stone, I have to do a drawing for a buddy of a VW Scirocco (I think that's what it is, same body style anyway) so that's what will draw. I'll upload the reference image later, I'm at work. I don't want to hear about your excuses of, well I don't draw cars... you said ANYTHING.

edit: BTW, tracing is not drawing... you can do it and consider it "ART" if that make it easier for you to sleep at night.
:popcorn: this should be good...ill post up a sketch i did in a few class periods sometime(it was pretty good for me...being a junior in HS and doing it in free time during 3 classes at the time)

[VipFREAK]

This isn't going to be a sketch comp but a full drawing with rendering involved just to let you know. But certainly anyone that wants to join feel free.

[Tony Riley]

No u misunderstand...I have PS CS2, just that I LIKE Alias Better thats all.

this IS the look I want for my pixs,..& not a antiseptic percise photographic pix, as IMO there is nothing left to the imagination in that ...no big deal, just diff strokes for diff folks thats all, I know it's a chop...cuz I cant sell em !..nobody wants to buy "chops",...people BUY ART.
I've seen people buy prints of chops, and have seen companies use
chops without permission in order to boost their image. Photomanipulation
can be seen as a derivative art form.

If I chop as PART of the process or not my objective is the same...to create ART that sells, and it does thank you ! & maybe I have the wrong idea, BUT IMO if you are not able to draw a car, then using PS or chopping is just "cheating" your way in !...sorry if that offends any of you but thats just the way it is.
Cheating? How? You haven't half mastered photoshop at all anyways.
In my opinion you are using art as a cop out. Just because things aren't
hand drawn, messy looking, unprecise, or ugly does NOT mean its art
anyways. Can you even do any of these clean "antiseptic" pictures
you are referring to? You haven't even barely scraped the surface of the
photochopping world, and presume to be some artsy guy on some
"other worldy level" that most forum users don't understand. The sad truth
is that we do understand, and have seen artsy technique that is better
than yours, on mostly every level. How can't realism have imagination?
You have a misuided and uninformed perception.


I am not talking out my *** either (altho thiswas the s*ttalkers contest remember ?)...so you should not be surprised by my comments by now, BUT next week or so go look at my website and you will see exactly what I am saying here, and I mean no offense by it, but its a joke when I see some of the comments from people who have NEVER picked up a pencil or paints in their life, and presume they are able to design cars from PHOTOGRAPHS !

As said... most people aren't stupid. Most people who say that, or think
they can design cars from photos aren't even that good to begin with.
You're argument is flawed, and needs rethinking.

a website with realistic copyrighted design work [not the actual
photos] done is ps -> www.iacoski.com (http://www.iacoski.com)

some of the kits have been made by neodesign.info
(note - all pics on the http://www.neodesign.info/ homepage
are chops)

... and WTF is pixs? ... why can't we just say pictures?

[VipFREAK]

http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/4081/dopey3xj.gif Oh... hay... Look, it's tied.

[MartinPliksh]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I am so sickof you MRDM

SHUT UP

[MRDETROITMETAL]

Ok, we can do a Car Draw Battle then... I'll kill two birds with one stone, I have to do a drawing for a buddy of a VW Scirocco (I think that's what it is, same body style anyway) so that's what will draw. I'll upload the reference image later, I'm at work. I don't want to hear about your excuses of, well I don't draw cars... you said ANYTHING.




Yeah..OK, no problem then....lemme know when ur ready !

freehand drawing...no chops...no tracing at all, RIGHT ?...works for me .:cool:

[MRDETROITMETAL]

...& martin...you guys KNOW I am just goading you ..Right ?

I do respect the work of others here, as it is very good...BUT, ....what I say is the truth.

Sure I got Attitude...but I earned it.

if ANY of you out there think your gonna design cars for a living, and you cannot draw a circle with your eyes CLOSED...it is NOT gonna happen. You may have the education to be an engineer, but NEVER a designer. Don't beleive me ?...goto GM Design and LOOK at the prerequites for a submission portfolio,....you better be ABLE to DRAW or...forget it.

[joemomma95]

Sure I got Attitude...but I earned it.

You my friend have earned nothing on PSC, keep thinking that your 'attitude' is ok here and we'll see what you can earn.

[MartinPliksh]

Sure I got Attitude...but I earned it.

wah??????????????

soryy, but im just trying to figure out HOW you earned it,
was it by picking fights with senior members, nah that couldnt be it, hmm, cramiing threads full with useless bs, or maybe not listening to our comments, or covering your *** by calling your chops "art", or telling us that if you cant draw you cant chop, or maybe even all your braging.

As far as im concerned the above things do not earn you the right to have attitude on our forum, and piss us all of,

get over yourself, seriously

And dont respond to this, im telling you to stop, if you reply to this, with more BS, you obiviousley dont care what happens to our forum, and therefore in my eyes you shouldnt be aloud here.

[MRDETROITMETAL]

I am NOT the one full of my self here at all..I can and have backed up EVERY comment I Made here...and am willing to continue to do so....my bank account says I earned it.

BUT thats NOT why I am here, it has no matter, unless YOU make it so...then I will respond, as it is my right to do so...accept who I am and what I do if thats a problem for you, or not I dont care...I dont have to !...but gettin pissed off at my stupid opinions is dumb on your part thats all..I do not tell you waht to do and you should understand you have NO SAY as to what I do or say here either...that is truth.

wanna kick me off ..go ahead see wat I care, the entertainment value on the site will just go DOWN thats all...less hits and more s*ts...LOL. ANY fourm where IGNORANCE is the norm, and the menbers there have no room for those who are different and talented is of NO USE to me or ANYBODY in the REAL WORLD !...not sayin thats the case here as of yet , but some of you are makin a good case for that reasoning here !!!

U guys NEED to lighten up !...it is too easy to get ur motors running !!! & u want me to shut up...you FIRST !

if you look at ALL the posts I put up here you will see quite a variety of images and techniques...and you have to be BLIND not to see that I can do whatever it takes, course you may not ANY like it ...but so wat ?..I dont like alot stuff here, BUT I dont go running off at the mouth about it !!! ....lifes too short dudes for crappin out !..but go right ahead.

I am wiling to put my talents on the line anytime u want....with ANY of you!

guess you all chose to IGNORE the comment I made that "I RESPECT THE WORK OF OTHERS HERE AS IT IS VERY GOOD"...huh ?

....get over yourselves first, obviously I dont have that problem, as I have RESPECT for the individuals here. (even you know who...who I have NOT said one word to BTW).

Step up or just step OFF !

[VipFREAK]

....my bank account says I earned it.

I didn't read the rest of it because I couldn't get over how that reminds me of Triumph the comic dog asking the LOTR guy in the Star Wars Premere clip if he's ever asked a girl without giving his bank account. http://www.sportbikers.net/forums/images/smilies/lmfao.gif http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1065066313493898787&q=triumph+starwars

[MRDETROITMETAL]

I didn't read the rest of it because I couldn't get over how that reminds me of Triumph the comic dog asking the LOTR guy in the Star Wars Premere clip if he's ever asked a girl without giving his bank account. http://www.sportbikers.net/forums/images/smilies/lmfao.gif



lol.thats cool I dont blame ya...it was not meant towrds you anyway...:)

[pschopper]

mr detriotmetal,
you really bring truth to a famous quote out of the dadaist art movement manifesto
"anything the artist spits is art"

[MRDETROITMETAL]

mr detriotmetal,
you really bring truth to a famous quote out of the dadaist art movement manifesto
"anything the artist spits is art"


Duchamp is one of my HERO"S !!!...dada it baabbbeeo[ooeioxc0853751 xZxdya

hchqer...............23kn,x:D cazop poo paa:cool:

[Demented Kuztoms]

Someone please get this guy the hell outta here. I get pissed off everytime I read this guys posts. Holy **** dude if your really that old theres something seriously wrong with you. Why the hell must you type like that and act like that just be like that in general. Go jump off a building dude you f-ing suck at chopping and life.

[MGD]

hmmm.....this forum needs what online games have on the servers. the mute button, so you can put some one on mute.

I got no problem with MR......................, dont feel like writing the rest of his name.
anyway u telling everyone to chill, how about you chill, cause u rambling on like a kid.

Just, and i quote"SHUT UP"

your nonsense is spamming our site. when more resourceful info could be spoken about.
So take ur "ART" and your "BANK ACCOUNT", and go put it to some use, cause its doing nothing here.

And considering your last chop, You would think your a damn noob at ps, cause you Doing stupid ****, so practice your "ART", cause it needs serious work.

And i aint saying mine is perfect, its far from it.

Im just trying to help you out a little

:rolleyes:

[iMPaCT]

What MGD said...
Nicely put...